Comments on: The Golan Heights http://pacollegerepublicans.com/blog/2008/07/the-golan-heights/ Mon, 06 Feb 2012 19:47:17 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: upyernoz http://pacollegerepublicans.com/blog/2008/07/the-golan-heights/#comment-112 upyernoz Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:11:27 +0000 http://pacollegerepublicans.com/blog/?p=47#comment-112 it's true, i did assume that you were all college students. mea culpa. but you said it yourself, you were "ot there as tourist but to improve US/Israeli relations." under those circumstances how could you not expect the israeli ministry of defense to give you only their own hawkish view of the situation? and even if you weren't college students, you were foreign nationals. which is why i doubt they gave you any actual intelligence. if they did, that would be shockingly irresponsible by the israeli government. it’s true, i did assume that you were all college students. mea culpa. but you said it yourself, you were “ot there as tourist but to improve US/Israeli relations.” under those circumstances how could you not expect the israeli ministry of defense to give you only their own hawkish view of the situation?

and even if you weren’t college students, you were foreign nationals. which is why i doubt they gave you any actual intelligence. if they did, that would be shockingly irresponsible by the israeli government.

]]> By: Anthony Pugliese http://pacollegerepublicans.com/blog/2008/07/the-golan-heights/#comment-110 Anthony Pugliese Tue, 29 Jul 2008 15:38:10 +0000 http://pacollegerepublicans.com/blog/?p=47#comment-110 You seem to act like you know a lot about Israel and the gov't and I am not going to say you do or do not. However, we were not being guided by IDF (Israeli Defense Forces) we were at certain times being guided by officials from the ministry of defense. Also, they never told us that Israel should never give back the Golan Heights, that was the mentality and conclusion of nearly all CDA and CR leadership that was on the trip. Also, since our average age was 24 and we were not all even in college, they did not view us as a bunch of "foreign college kids", especially since we were not there as tourist but to improve US/Israeli relations. Keep in mind that at the age of 24 in Israel you truly are not a child anymore, you have already finished your mandatory military service and most likely are a full time worker, unless you went back to school after your military service. Again if you disagree with me so much instead of arguing with me about it, maybe you should reflect upon your own parties (CDA) opinion. You seem to act like you know a lot about Israel and the gov’t and I am not going to say you do or do not. However, we were not being guided by IDF (Israeli Defense Forces) we were at certain times being guided by officials from the ministry of defense. Also, they never told us that Israel should never give back the Golan Heights, that was the mentality and conclusion of nearly all CDA and CR leadership that was on the trip. Also, since our average age was 24 and we were not all even in college, they did not view us as a bunch of “foreign college kids”, especially since we were not there as tourist but to improve US/Israeli relations. Keep in mind that at the age of 24 in Israel you truly are not a child anymore, you have already finished your mandatory military service and most likely are a full time worker, unless you went back to school after your military service. Again if you disagree with me so much instead of arguing with me about it, maybe you should reflect upon your own parties (CDA) opinion.

]]> By: upyernoz http://pacollegerepublicans.com/blog/2008/07/the-golan-heights/#comment-107 upyernoz Tue, 29 Jul 2008 15:17:51 +0000 http://pacollegerepublicans.com/blog/?p=47#comment-107 <i>The College Republican state and national leadership and the CDA state and national leadership, after hearing Intel from the ministry of defense (who was our guide) all agreed that Israel must not give back the Golan.</i> so israel gives top secret intelligence to visiting foreign college students? that doesn't sound like very competent to me! but i'm not surprised that the IDF representatives told you that syria was a grave threat to israel and that they should never give up the golan heights. you realize this was just a foreign country's military trying to propogandize to you though, right? i mean, no doubt you have enough critical thinking abilities to consider where the speaker is coming from and what motives they may have to tell you the stuff they told you, right? also, now i'm a little confused. first you claim to have seen all these syrian armaments with your very own eyes. then when i mention that i was walking around the very place that you say you saw the armaments and none were actually there (nor do any appear in my photos), suddenly your point turns on this top secret information that only your group was privy to during your visit. <i>Although I am amused that you love our fantastic site so much that you come on every day to comment on nearly every post I think you once again are incorrect on this issue.</i> oh, i do like this site quite a bit. my friend john was right when he told me last week how much fun it is over here. i like that you let me comment relatively unmoderated. and i'm interested in the middle east (i've traveled a bit there) and there are a fair number of posts about the ME on this site, even if they are often pretty misguided. The College Republican state and national leadership and the CDA state and national leadership, after hearing Intel from the ministry of defense (who was our guide) all agreed that Israel must not give back the Golan.

so israel gives top secret intelligence to visiting foreign college students? that doesn’t sound like very competent to me! but i’m not surprised that the IDF representatives told you that syria was a grave threat to israel and that they should never give up the golan heights. you realize this was just a foreign country’s military trying to propogandize to you though, right? i mean, no doubt you have enough critical thinking abilities to consider where the speaker is coming from and what motives they may have to tell you the stuff they told you, right?

also, now i’m a little confused. first you claim to have seen all these syrian armaments with your very own eyes. then when i mention that i was walking around the very place that you say you saw the armaments and none were actually there (nor do any appear in my photos), suddenly your point turns on this top secret information that only your group was privy to during your visit.

Although I am amused that you love our fantastic site so much that you come on every day to comment on nearly every post I think you once again are incorrect on this issue.

oh, i do like this site quite a bit. my friend john was right when he told me last week how much fun it is over here. i like that you let me comment relatively unmoderated. and i’m interested in the middle east (i’ve traveled a bit there) and there are a fair number of posts about the ME on this site, even if they are often pretty misguided.

]]> By: Anthony Pugliese http://pacollegerepublicans.com/blog/2008/07/the-golan-heights/#comment-105 Anthony Pugliese Tue, 29 Jul 2008 14:14:05 +0000 http://pacollegerepublicans.com/blog/?p=47#comment-105 Upyerz, I was on the Golan Heights looking down so although you hope to be doing so, I have. I too also have a funny perspective on the issue, because again I and your CDA leadership heard a whole lot of intelligence that maybe you should ask them about. We both, The College Republican state and national leadership and the CDA state and national leadership, after hearing Intel from the ministry of defense (who was our guide) all agreed that Israel must not give back the Golan. Although I am amused that you love our fantastic site so much that you come on every day to comment on nearly every post I think you once again are incorrect on this issue. Upyerz,
I was on the Golan Heights looking down so although you hope to be doing so, I have. I too also have a funny perspective on the issue, because again I and your CDA leadership heard a whole lot of intelligence that maybe you should ask them about. We both, The College Republican state and national leadership and the CDA state and national leadership, after hearing Intel from the ministry of defense (who was our guide) all agreed that Israel must not give back the Golan. Although I am amused that you love our fantastic site so much that you come on every day to comment on nearly every post I think you once again are incorrect on this issue.

]]> By: Michael Ubbens http://pacollegerepublicans.com/blog/2008/07/the-golan-heights/#comment-102 Michael Ubbens Tue, 29 Jul 2008 03:56:18 +0000 http://pacollegerepublicans.com/blog/?p=47#comment-102 Upyerz, What are you looking to argue here? Anthony's narrative? I took a look at your pictures. They are very nice. Thank you for sharing. Upyerz,

What are you looking to argue here? Anthony’s narrative?

I took a look at your pictures. They are very nice. Thank you for sharing.

]]> By: upyernoz http://pacollegerepublicans.com/blog/2008/07/the-golan-heights/#comment-97 upyernoz Mon, 28 Jul 2008 21:17:53 +0000 http://pacollegerepublicans.com/blog/?p=47#comment-97 isn't that up to israel? i mean, if they can have a peace treaty with syria like they do with jordan and egypt, with guarantees that golan would remain demilitarized, why not? i have a funny perspective on this issue. a few years ago i looked up at golan from quneitra in syria. it looked pretty militarized to me from there! and the only tanks around were burnt out shells left over from 1967 and 73. i think you were mistaken if you thought they were some active invasion force, or even usable as anything but a museum piece. the entire zone bordering golan in syria is a UN patrolled zone. you need a special permit to go there (though the permit was easy to get) and you are assigned a special guide (i.e. a syrian intelligence officer) to show you around. meanwhile, if all goes well, in about 10 days i should be on the golan heights looking down on quneitra. in care your curious, my photos from quneitra (i.e. golan on the syrian side) are <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/upyernoz/tags/quneitra/" rel="nofollow">here</a>. inshallah, i'll have the ones from the israeli side up in a few weeks. isn’t that up to israel? i mean, if they can have a peace treaty with syria like they do with jordan and egypt, with guarantees that golan would remain demilitarized, why not?

i have a funny perspective on this issue. a few years ago i looked up at golan from quneitra in syria. it looked pretty militarized to me from there! and the only tanks around were burnt out shells left over from 1967 and 73. i think you were mistaken if you thought they were some active invasion force, or even usable as anything but a museum piece. the entire zone bordering golan in syria is a UN patrolled zone. you need a special permit to go there (though the permit was easy to get) and you are assigned a special guide (i.e. a syrian intelligence officer) to show you around. meanwhile, if all goes well, in about 10 days i should be on the golan heights looking down on quneitra.

in care your curious, my photos from quneitra (i.e. golan on the syrian side) are here. inshallah, i’ll have the ones from the israeli side up in a few weeks.

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